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"This was different. These this group broke away from the protest. This this was different. They broke away from the protest. This is what I heard over and over again. These aren't my words. These are the officer's words that I heard over and over again. They said they had evil in their eyes. They had evil intent. And the word evil struck struck me". -Markwayne Mullin
Representative Mullin, thanks for taking the time this morning. We really appreciate it.
[00:01:00] Thank you, Casey. I didn't think I'd be on two days in a row, but good to be back on your show this quick.
[00:01:35] Tell us what happened. Where were you when it all went down and how how quick did it get bad?
[00:01:41] It escalated really quick.
[00:02:58] But they had told everybody that they breached the door to lay down. And you don't do that, not with a mob. The worst thing you can do is lay down. That's the worst thing you do. You get trampled. And sometimes that is what causes more injuries than anything else. And the violence itself. And and and I said absolutely not. And I stood up. I said, listen, guys, this door gets breached, you head out that door and you go down the stairs. And the lieutenant and I talked right after that and he came out and asked me who I was. And I had I had explained to him a little bit more about my background, which I don't ever share. I don't ever talk about my other background. It's not on a line. It's it's something I just don't discuss. And and we had we had a quick conversation, quick good conversation. And but then we went back to the problem at hand. The problem at hand was at the door. Now they were hit in the door. And when they hit the door, people got pretty excited pretty quick.
[00:03:48] And we made the decision really quick to grab a desk. I ran over and grabbed a desk and I told someone else to go out with me. We brought it over, put it from the door, put another chair on top of the door. And about that time, they broke the glass. When they broke the glass, at first, all of us thought it was gunshots. In fact, there was one picture of me when it shows that I'm jumping behind a chair. That chair, by the way, they're bulletproof. I jumped behind the chair because we thought shots were fired. When we realized shots were fired is when. And I actually I started on those. All those aren't shots. Those aren't shots. Because at that time, all the Capitol Police, they came very I mean, you can see them. They had their arms. They had their guns drilled and they were yelling and they're about ready to shoot through the door. And I started I started hollering, those aren't shots. Don't shoot, don't shoot. And we started having a conversation with the protesters at that time or another, not protesters. These are rioters.
[00:04:41] These were antagonizers. And I started having a conversation with them at that time. And I said, is this worth it? Is this worth it? You almost died. Is this worth it? And I actually quit at that time, beating on the door and telling another agitator came back up to the front and he started he started yelling. And I'll tell you what, guy, that's not getting a lot of credit. If you look in the pictures or see a guy in a blue shirt, his name's Troy Nehls.
[00:05:03] He's a newly elected member. He's a sheriff from down in the Houston area. And as soon as I jumped in action, he did, too. When I took off my jacket and took off my tie, he was ready to do that, do the same thing, because there was a lot more of them than there was us and there was no way Capitol Police is going to do it. And the whole point, we knew he wasn't going to stop the crowd. It was the mob. The whole point was to slow them down. And those Capitol Police that they were willing to put themselves there and they did put themselves in harm's way for us. But their families are any more important than mine. And I knew that. And I knew I could be an asset and we wanted to help. And so did Troy Nehls. And so the real heroes were the Capitol Police, because when this thing was all over, Casey; when it was all over, when we finally got all the members and all the staff off the floors, when when when I left and and Troy left with me, I went immediately down to the triage center and I went down the direction or went which is in the... it was, at that time was in the basement of the Rayburn House Office Building.
[00:06:03] And and and I'll tell you, I hadn't seen a triage center like that since the last time I was overseas and was working at one of our jobs. And and it was amazing. It's something I would have never thought I would ever saw it once again, definitely not in the U.S. Capitol, but probably even on U.S. soil. And I went and I talked to every one of the men and women that were there. There was a lot of injuries. And I would say there is twenty five. I'd say there's fifty. I don't know. But I shook everyone their hands and one guy, one young man was holding it literally. I don't mean to be too graphic, but he's literally holding his eyeball against his head. His eyeball had got. Knocked out of a socket. There was there was guys with.. with their nose broke and young and young women, the officers have got their head hit by by objects and their head was busted open. There was guys with their eyes, lids cut open where they had been poked or hit with some some objects where it was it was obvious. It looked like they were going straight for these officers faces. There was some broken bones, a guy had got in a tussle with with one of them.
[00:07:10] He rolled down the Capitol steps and he had broke his arm. And I asked every one of them, I would ask them all the same, just like I would if I was out of FOB. And I said I said, What's your name? What's your name, ma'am? What's your name, sir? How old are you? You've got a wife. You've got kids. And then I asked them what happened. And it was interesting to me and this is something the news isn't reporting, but I've said in almost all my interviews, it was interesting to me because this is what they told me. They said this was different. These this group broke away from the protest. This this was different. They broke away from the protest. This is what I heard over and over again. These aren't my words. These are the officer's words that I heard over and over again. They said they had evil in their eyes. They had evil intent. And the word evil struck struck me because I was talking to them separately. They were and some them were in groups because there was a trial or this is this wasn't made to hold this many patients at once. This is this is this is something they threw up very similar or very fast and some were in separate rooms.
[00:08:09] But I heard that comment at least a half dozen times.
[00:08:15] And and I'll tell you this, as I said, the real heroes are those guys, those guys those guys were willing to make sure that I got home to my family before they did. And I guarantee you their family loves him as much as my family loves me.
[00:08:28] Yeah. You know, I heard you tell the story and it's pretty much word for word from what I heard earlier. And, you know, one thing you said last night, you were being interviewed on, I think it was news on six and you said that this is not the way we do it in America and this went too far. So you said this group was different and they broke away from the regular protesters. Do you think this was still a group that was motivated by what the rest of the protesters were motivated by? They just got out of control.
[00:09:03] Now, there was there was definitely a group of antagonizers there. I think some of the I think some of the people that didn't come there for violence got caught up in it. But there was a group that came there for violence. I mean, you could tell because I saw a ball bat that had barbed wire wrapped around it. They had they had they had glass punchers with them. When they busted through that glass, it was a glass bunch or that busted through that glass. That's why it sounded like a gunshot. They had clubs with their head rappelling gear. There were some people there. It was in full riot gear, full riot gear. We hadn't seen that in any Trump rallies, in the hundreds and thousands of Trump rallies, literally thousands of Trump rallies we've seen. We have not seen violence break out like that. Now, I do think there were some there were some protesters that got caught up in it, but they were agitators there that was designed to do just that. And I don't know who's responsible for it. I'm not saying it was Antifa those people saying it was Antifa I don't know if there if we haven't done a debrief on it yet. So but it was definitely a group of agitators that that came there for or fight.
[00:10:05] Yeah. And you know, what bothers me about that is that there were the same accusations during the spring during the Black Lives Matter riots. Everybody said that there was it's Antifa firing everybody up. But then, you know, the response was always that we and I've said this on the show several times today. The response was that, well then the actual protesters should point those people out and turn them in. They shouldn't join in and do anything,
I kind of feel the same way. You know, we were if you're on the right if you were protesting the election of a supporter of the Republican Party, of the president, we should have been the ones saying, hey, no, stop. Those guys
that's not doing it. Because regardless of and I've said this many times, too, regardless of whether or not there were agitators there, just because somebody does something doesn't mean you have to jump into the Capitol to and start throwing things at people. I take responsibility.
[00:10:55] I agree. I agree. But I think I think what happened here is the party split. There was a there was a bunch of people from Oklahoma. I talked to him and I talked to them afterwards. And they were already some were back to Baltimore. Someone bought a plane ticket. They were already flying back somewhere in their vehicles. Driving back. Yeah. And and when there was as I said, the officer said they broke away. So the regular protesters kept walking. And these this group went in and when they stormed the Capitol, it wasn't like the other supporters could be there to stop them. But it doesn't make any difference because end of the day, we're all responsible for our own actions. Full stop. Yeah. And and it got out of line. And what ended up happening is a young lady that was in close proximity to me got shot in her life. Is over in the way of understanding that she was a veteran, she was a 14 year, she had been she served in the military for 14 years. And and I didn't I didn't know. But I will tell you this, that we were we were being assaulted from the front door. And I truly say that they were being assaulted from the front door and they made it a two front battle, which we didn't have the bodies to do that. We were barely had we barely had enough people to take care of the front door. And so when they went around to the speaker's lobby was trying to come in that way.
[00:12:09] We got down in a hurry and in a situation was going to get very difficult because there were still a lot of members and a lot of staff on the House floor at that time when they tried when that when that other mob tried to come to the through the A what we would consider the back lobby. And when they broke the door and they broke the glass and the young lady came through there, that lieutenant, a lot of people are going to debate what he should have done and what he could have done. It doesn't make any difference. The fact is, is that he was trying to protect us and protect him himself. And he had to decide to draw draw his weapon. And if you never had to draw your weapon and fire it at a human being, especially in self-defense, and then unfortunately take someone's life, you lose part of yourself too. You're not you're not the same after that. And I don't care how many times that has said had happened, you're still not the same. And so his life is forever changed. And unfortunately, that family, that young lady, her other family's life is forever changed to. And what came out of it, what good did that happen? And as I said before, and I'll say it again, we can debate better in this. This I get the impassioned and I'm as passionate an individual as anybody knows. I mean, I'll stand my ground and my wife says I'm bullheaded.
[00:13:21] I just say I'm determined. But there's also a different way that we can approach things, too. We need we need to learn to disagree and and not be angry at each other. We I wake up every single morning. You've heard me say this before, Casey. I wake up Thursday morning to say, "love the people, love the call". And these ones that we were about ready to get very serious about ready, get very confrontational where things are going to get very ugly with. I still love them, but it doesn't mean I wasn't going to defend myself. And what took place wasn't out of hatred on our part. But that officer that had to discharge his weapon and unfortunately take that young lady's life was doing what he thought was best at the time. And what happened then is that crowd that was behind her dispensed and they went someplace else. And we could focus once again instead of just sort of fighting two fronts. We could we went back to only making sure we secured the front door. And and I know that guy. I don't know if he'll ever be able to come back to work or not. I talked to him several times throughout this ordeal before that taking place. And actually, I talked to him right afterwards, too. And I hugged him and I said I said, brother, you did what you had to do. And and it's an unfortunate situation very much.
[00:14:32] Representative Mullin, please hang on the line here. I want to ask you about the after effects of this are going to be like when it comes to dealing with the with the political aspects of this. We'll take your phone calls as well. We're going to talk more to Representative Markwayne Mullin, nine one eight seven nine eleven seven is the number here. I'm Casey Bartholomew sitting in for Pat Campbell. You're listening to Talk Radio 1170 Where Tulsa comes to talk.
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Our guest representative Markwayne Mullin, for the second day in a row yesterday was a very different conversation. It was about how the certification for the Electoral College votes for Joe Biden was going to go. Now we're talking about a riot. And if you looking at the pictures of the people trying to break through the door of the the congressional chambers, the guy in the white shirt with the beard is your representative, Markwayne Mullin. And you also said Troy Nehls out of Texas was there as well. Representative Mullin, what do you think the ramifications of this are going to be? Is this going to make even for a greater divide? Or are we is this going to cause Congress to look at each other and say we need to work together here?
[00:16:04] You know, for those that haven't ever went through this, they don't understand that it's going to take about two days or three days for it to really set in, because when we came back before, you kind of heard some of the same rhetoric sometimes. Sometimes it was toned down. Yeah, but I think I think every time you've seen this country go through a situation like this, we've always came out better on the other side of it. And and I hope this is the time that we all take a look in the mirror. We take a deep breath and we go, you know, right. We're better than this. And and I think that we I think Congress will do that to I really do. I think we're going to move on in a stronger fashion. And that doesn't mean we're still going to be very, very passionate and about our issues and about our true differences, political differences. But we can do it in a more civil manner because we all we all share some blame on this. I mean, from the media to the right to the left, we've been all fanning the flames for five years. And and this is this is what it's come to. And I hope I know for sure I am I'm going to be taking a deep breath. And and hopefully I can I can set a better example. I'm not going to say I'm always going to be perfect, but I'm sure we're going to be trying
as long as everybody tries.
[00:17:17] I think that's what I think that's what the country might be looking for right now. Now, when when it was done, when you guys all got back together because the work of certifying the election was still in play here, was there any conversation about because it seemed like when everybody got back, like it looked like Vice President Pence was just flat out mad and we got that impression from a lot of other people as well. Were there any conversations about enough? Let's get this done. No more. No more of the objections. No more the debate. Let's get this done and let's move forward with the job of that we have to do here and move on. Was there any conversation about that?
[00:17:55] Yeah, there was definitely some of the conversation going on. I think. I think a lot of us, though, we were at the at the edge that that we wasn't doing this for political purposes. We were doing this because we're still we were still objecting because of our constitutional right to do so and our obligation to do so. And but we did what we had a conversation about was let's tone it down, let's tone it down, let's not go there. And I really do believe that a lot of them did tone it down, but they were still pretty harsh words. But that's what happens in a debate. And but you didn't see a whole lot of pointing, the finger pointing from either side. You did see some, but not much. And that's that's what's got to that's what's got to change. We'd like to be very passionate about our issues. Let's debate those issues. But what separates us from other democracies is we can do it in a civil manner. And that's what we have to do.
[00:18:50] And let's let's hope that that feeling holds. Now, there's people on the line here. I want to talk to you. Who's the caller here, Carly?
[00:18:55] We've got Robert. Robert, Robert, you're on the radio...
[00:19:30] Ok, I just want to make a couple of quick points, OK? The the conservative movement needs to be ready for what's coming up next. A few years ago, we had a president, George W. Bush, and then when he left office, the liberals just tarred and feathered his reputation, just destroyed it because the economy and then to this day when the Tea Party remember them and then the liberals destroyed them and they did the IRS after them and they destroyed their reputation. You remember how the Tea Party was just literally from great down to like these are troublemakers and disbanded. But we all need to be ready for the next move that the Democrats are going to do when they have total control of the House, total control of the Senate and total control of all the media. And that includes the electronic media, the Facebook, the Twitters and stuff like that. The conservatives will be lucky to have any voice whatsoever to get out. But I think Mr. Mullin, for his service and keep spreading the word that we better be ready because they'll be coming for us.
[00:20:38] Thanks for calling talk radio
And Markwayne Mullin is back. Oh, hey, Mark. Sorry about that.
[00:20:39] Carly hung up on me. That's what happened. I don't know. I did. I hate when you bring politics into what's going on. I know she's got my eyes. See, we're better than that, Carly. We're better than that.
[00:20:57] So, you know, the caller the caller has a point. And what he was saying is not is truly I mean, that's that's true what he was talking about. But we we are in it. We understand what's going to happen now, especially now that we lost the Senate in Georgia and I lost two Senate races. We understand what's happening and and where I would say I would use the word worry probably isn't the correct term because we are extremely concerned. The conversations are already they already today and yesterday during the Electoral College vote was talking about how are we how are we going to have our defense? And now the Senate was our last line of defense now. Now, where are we going to head to? And and I think we still got to work through that. It is makes it very difficult when they control the White House and both chambers, it makes it very difficult.
[00:21:55] Well, and there's a lot of people worried about, you know, court packing and tax increases and green new deals and things like that. And we just hope that we hope that the left is willing to work with the right. They talk a good game. And, you know, the right gets blamed a lot for everything that's wrong. Now that the ball's in their court, let's see what they're willing to do, you know?
Thank you so much. And thank you for standing up yesterday. I know you helped a lot of people. And seeing you represent Oklahoma like that was heartwarming, to say the least.
[00:22:27] So thank you very much, Representative Markwayne Mullin, who was there yesterday and gave his story. Your phone calls are next. I'm Casey Bartholomew, in for Pat Campbell. Nine thirty on talk radio 1170.
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